Technology: Artificial Intelligence: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 62



Day of the Dead: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 62 Artificial intelligence is rarely out of the news. But what is it? In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, …



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32 thoughts on “Technology: Artificial Intelligence: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 62

  • dav dave

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Further.Rather than digital [as so called machine artificial intelligence is] the human brain is geodesic – multi ordinal and can cope with paradoxes for example. Imagination is knowledge of the future – Memory is knowledge of the past. Computers could only "know" this if a human programmer coded it into it's operating system. A computer can not recognise God – but most children can. Rupert's concept and explanation of morphic fields and the extended mind is a good example of human genius. As an engineer and a christian I have been intrigued by Rupert's talks on youTube and find it ties brilliantly my beliefs to my understanding of the physical world. Rupert is an inseration and great scientist and I have pointed all my friends towards his shows and books.

    Jay Herring

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Would love to see a video of you chaps done with loads of jackets hung in the background and you both dressed as books. just to mix things up a bit you know.
    Keep up the great work! Love listening in on these dialogues.

    John Bradbury

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    I can see the benefit of problem solving intelligence but conscious experience is mostly suffering and I wonder what use it is.

    retnuHretsnoM 96emaNyMtoN

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    You don't need an abacus to calculate that Rupert is fucking lit during this upload…. Just an observation

    morphixnm

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Referring to an AI system as an "it" is ok so long as it is not confused with other "its" that are living, conscious creatures, such as dogs or people. The category of "it" for AI is that of machines, not of beings. The same goes for the term "intelligence" modified by "artificial." It is artificial as in fake or not real, so really not intelligence at all, just a glorified computer that utilizes algorithms to process data. It is categorically uninformed, unknowing, internally meaningless. For anyone to propose that AI is anything more than that would require a physicalist explanation of consciousness and meaning, which is at all levels not substantiated, in fact not even well speculated. AI is a fantasy conjured up in sci-fi and video games that is being superimposed by some advocates onto some very fast, resourceful computers. There is nothing else to it.

  • Diogo Libana

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    It was a really interesting dialogue, I love the theme. I just think that will be possible, using some 'connection' based on 'random vacuum fluctuation', or anything close to link a 'computer brain' to some 'cosmic randomness', which would be used to direct some 'IA' decision about its preferences, its way to see the world, etc… I mean… I think that we will be able to build a brain in some way connected to a random source of data that will allow a conscience to influence the way in which that brain learns, develops and interacts with the world. I believe this is the most likely way, to create a channel through which consciousness manifests itself, not to expect it to manifest itself simply based on a database.

    Will Hackett

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Every line of computer code essentially says, "If this, then that." Great for filling in missing pixels in your advanced photo enhancing software. But computers can never have consciousness, emotions, self-will, desires, etc. nor any kind of life force. You can't program intangible qualities which we call "spiritual" when we don't even know what they are. Nor can we ever scientifically study them when they have no physical make-up. What's the atomic weight of joy?

    james pacinelli

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Old game I use to play called Foldit.
    “Foldit is an online puzzle video game about protein folding. It is part of an experimental research project developed by the University of Washington, Center for Game Science, in collaboration with the UW Department of Biochemistry. The objective of Foldit is to fold the structures of selected proteins as perfectly as possible, using tools provided in the game. The highest scoring solutions are analyzed by researchers, who determine whether or not there is a native structural configuration (native state) that can be applied to relevant proteins in the real world. Scientists can then use these solutions to target and eradicate diseases and create biological innovations. A 2010 paper in the science journal Nature credited Foldit's 57,000 players with providing useful results that matched or outperformed algorithmically computed solutions.”

    Moses Garcia

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    I think using the term SPIRITUAL INTELLIGENCE is confusing. It's better to keep it's orginal name WISDOM.

    Is it possable to have Wise Computers. Artificial WISDOM.

    Only if God breathes Life into them.

    Without Transcendence their is no Self Awareness.

    Fantastic talks….

    Thank you

    Lavette

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    if this life we are living is a simulation would that not make "US" the artificial intelligence within the program that is running

  • Happy Prometheus

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Human civilisation is incredibly susceptible to glamour, due to general sentimentalism. AI is another glamour perpetuated by a deluded SciFi fantasies of the mechanistic mindset. Vernon is right to point out how this outlook is detrimental to our culture and perception of what we are.

    Niels Hoffmann

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Thank you for sharing your views and experiences. Sounds like you could have been the authors of ACIM a book about the mind with two thought systems: The upside down system and the Right thinking system. The former is the most common human form unable to cope efficiently with complexity. The latter is the spirituel side inherently able to solve hard complex proplems, the same as the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere is where language, logic and mathematics are processed. Two opposite directed hyper-graphs illustrate this. Your intuition and wisdom is already there. The algorithms for these hyper-graphs would be useful for current AI. One is a complete form of up-side down the other a complete form of right mindedness, or a complete form of Backprop which is recognised as the necessary ingrediens in AI.

    161157gor

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Divide by Z.eros…

    TheElectricOrigins

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Emotions are part of groups. They came from the epochs where men cannot survive on their own and need specialisation. They were probably capable of employing some sort of group telepathy and a kind of swarm effect.
    Neo-cortex logic must be a next step in evolution. That's where we are now: a war between society (crowd) and humanity (individual beings).

    zbanch123

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    I think some misunderstanding came from the label. If we call it artifical intellect then it will be much easier to distinguish it from intelligence by itself.

  • Tumble Bug

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Mr. Sheldrake, I just have to thank you for just your being you! A good friend of mine mentioned your name to me in conversation a few years ago, and thought I'd be interested in what you were talking about. And how! Though I'm demographically "white" here in California, I was expecting to dislike you when I found out that you were English. Of course, the stereotypical Englishman is what I had in mind, and boy, was I wrong! Not a hint of arrogance do you display. Thanks for surprising me like that, and for what you are doing to advance biology and the sciences collectively. Can't thank you enough for mentioning Electric Universe!

    Fleshfor Frankenstein

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    AI will never be anything more than an ever increasingly complex algorithm.

    Whereas organic intelligence is hyperspacial consciousness which exceeds the confines of time and space.

    Artificial sentience is not sentience. Artificial gold is not gold.

    Tamborine Village

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    I wouldn't be surprised if AI is just another non existent scare tactic like so called nukes are.

    MrsShimmyOnDown

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    When are you two going to speak out on what's going on????

    MrsShimmyOnDown

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Resist the high finance gangbankster's fascist Great Reset

    MrsShimmyOnDown

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Resist Transhumanism

    MrsShimmyOnDown

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    MrsShimmyOnDown

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    MrsShimmyOnDown

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    Jon Bain

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    one of the more honest of the quacks, pilfering the loot of the world with a veneer of knowledge, as the ignorant beguiled masses suck up their sophistry

    Happy Prometheus

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    There is a linguistic problem in perceiving the notion of Artificial Intelligence: The word "intelligence" is imbued with the sense of consciousness i.e. we are projecting our own experience through this word and therefore linking it to a machine, and in this manner falling into a linguistic illusion of believing that the so-called AI has magical properties.

    dav dave

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Artificial intelligence works on the binary system, itself derived from Morse Code. The concept has not changed since WW2 when computing machines became electronic. The intelligence is simply bottled up human thinking and only reflects to ability and intuition of the programmer / programmers. It just condenses the coding from the designer into a fast recall mechanism by utilising millions of electronic switches [logic gates – and-gates or-gate not gates nand – gates etc] when the system "runs" it's just sequencing thousands of hours of human intuition and creativity into a few seconds of calculations [on off switching no more it does not know anything] into the shortest route. This machine language still has to be translated by some sort of interface to do any thing practical. Artificial intelligence is just human intelligence stored as digital o's and 1's it hasn't come up or improved on anything itself. And it still needs a bloke with a screw driver to fix it – oh and a battery.

    flying dutchman

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    You might like a recent study by Domingos which showed that deep neural networks are equivalent to SVMs which means they're memorising input data. They seem to mimic well, but don't do anything wild. They're successful only for rather specific problem domains, there's nothing that comes anywhere close to general intelligence. Computers have always been automating mental work, the distinguishing feature of modern AIs is the fact that they learn to classify on their own, based on rather large batches of annotated input data.

    David Freeman

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    I used to have every one of the 'trialogues' on an mp3 player and i would listen to it on repeat at subliminal volume every night while i slept

    Patrick Naulty

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Abreaction.

    Patrick Naulty

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Feinman said all computers can do is count, faster and faster. They are an extremely advanced abacus.

    quantumgirl

    (December 14, 2020 - 10:33 am)

    Rupert you’re amazing!!! I’ve opened my reality because of you!!

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